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| noki |
 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:09 pm |
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My whole life, i've grown up in a 'Christian' Home.
My Dad was a Minister... my mom a strong believer and my Dad's better half, and rock... and my 3 sisters all raised with the beliefs and theology that my parents built their lives upon.
Most of my younger years, obviously, I took my parents word for gold and accepted Christianity because I didn't know anything better... I grew up in a strong community if Down-To-Earth, Accepting, Loving, and REAL christians... not judgemental or pathetic hypocrits... but there was something real...
I've had alot of encounters in which i believe to be from 'God' , however, my mind cannot put issues on my heart&mind to rest...
How can we believe in a Saving Grace, based upon a story that seems so far fetched.,.. with no evidence? How can we believe in GRACE and MERCY as christians, but yet choose to believe our God has condemned anyone who doesn't believe in this story to Hell?
My Pastor, My Dad.. Everyone... keeps telling me 'Faith'.
'Faith' ....
"If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could move mountains"...
"YAWN" i've heard it so many times...
Seriously, how can so many people believe in this, yet nobody has been able to demonstrate this power?
How can we claim to believe and have faith... i mean, if you honestly have any... it's less than a mustard seed, which seems pretty pathetic to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming Christianity...
I just don't get it?
Where does our mission lie?
I am in strong belief that our mission, above all and else, as christians, is to Love people.. and to help SAVE people.
It's not going to church.
It's not reading the bible..
it's not listening to christian music...
it's not studying theology and finding ways to combat RELIGION and THEOLOGY...
I believe it is a life of ACTION..
My problem is... are there people doing this here in our own nation?
I hear of all the glorified stories of Missionaries and Martyr's?
When are people gonna start Dying to Themselves, and save people on our homeland?
Are we numb?
Are we Fakes?
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sorry, i'm ranting... someone please respond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| kikr |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:28 pm |
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noki wrote:
My whole life, i've grown up in a 'Christian' Home.
My Dad was a Minister... my mom a strong believer and my Dad's better half, and rock... and my 3 sisters all raised with the beliefs and theology that my parents built their lives upon.
Most of my younger years, obviously, I took my parents word for gold and accepted Christianity because I didn't know anything better... I grew up in a strong community if Down-To-Earth, Accepting, Loving, and REAL christians... not judgemental or pathetic hypocrits... but there was something real...
Same here, but probably not to the extent that you have been raised. It's not a bad thing though. We are raised to believe in what our parents believe, which is to be good Christians. After that I guess you have to continue or search inside for more information.
noki wrote:
I've had alot of encounters in which i believe to be from 'God' , however, my mind cannot put issues on my heart&mind to rest...
Do you mind sharing some of these encounters? Maybe you could start a new thread with your encounters of God.
noki wrote:
How can we believe in a Saving Grace, based upon a story that seems so far fetched.,.. with no evidence? How can we believe in GRACE and MERCY as christians, but yet choose to believe our God has condemned anyone who doesn't believe in this story to Hell?
My Pastor, My Dad.. Everyone... keeps telling me 'Faith'.
'Faith' ....
"If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could move mountains"...
"YAWN" i've heard it so many times...
Seriously, how can so many people believe in this, yet nobody has been able to demonstrate this power?
How can we claim to believe and have faith... i mean, if you honestly have any... it's less than a mustard seed, which seems pretty pathetic to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming Christianity...
Well it is faith. What story are you referring to? Do you believe in God? I assume you do. Pray to God. Make it fun though, make it be like a meditation or something. Talk to God while talking to yourself at the same time. Ask yourself some questions and look for the answers. Just because there isn't clear cut proof doesn't mean it's not true. You should live your life as Jesus would, even if the miracles he performed didn't happen, and even if some of the stories you know aren't really true. Still do good and follow in his footsteps. Even if you aren't a Christian, Jesus is still a great person who was rich in the soul. If you don't believe in saving grace, does that mean you'll start sinning because you don't think there's a heaven or you don't think you'll be punished? That would be like doing bad things in spite of the fact that God isn't revealing himself to you. I am agnostic, but I still try to reach for excellence. In other words, I try to make myself, and other people for that matter, better.
noki wrote:
Where does our mission lie?
I am in strong belief that our mission, above all and else, as christians, is to Love people.. and to help SAVE people.
It's not going to church.
It's not reading the bible..
it's not listening to christian music...
it's not studying theology and finding ways to combat RELIGION and THEOLOGY...
Hey... why not go to church? Celebrate the life of Jesus with other people. I bet some of the people in church are agnostic and are just curious and want some answers. Go to church to be with the community that believes in the same thing as you. It doesn't have to be a chore that you must do every Sunday to make God happy. And for the Bible? It's a book. I read it sometimes and it's interesting. There's accounts of people life in there, accounts of how things started, etc. You know. Just because you read the Bible it doesn't mean you have to take it word for word. Read to gain knowledge. I like to read it and alot of the times I can apply things that I read to everyday life. As for Christian music... lol why would you have to listen to that? I hate it (well... I never really listen to it so I guess I can't say that)... I prefer hiphop and some rock, reggae, and ska. You don't have to listen to Christian music to be a good person lol. Personally I think it's boring. But some people like it! I just like to read the Bible. It's a book compiled from many sources... I dunno I just think it's interesting. After that I wonna read the Quran(sp?) and find similarities between the two. Cuz after all aren't Islam, Judaism, and Christianity the same religion basically?
noki wrote:
I believe it is a life of ACTION..
Oh how true that is. Be the best person you can be.
noki wrote:
My problem is... are there people doing this here in our own nation?
I hear of all the glorified stories of Missionaries and Martyr's?
When are people gonna start Dying to Themselves, and save people on our homeland?
It happens on a daily basis. Ever hold the door for someone? Any favors? You can do things on different levels... helping an old lady with her groceries or saving lives like Mother Teresa. |
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| noki |
| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:06 pm |
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Thanks for the response Kikr.
Alot of this was me venting on my frusterations.
I want to believe in salvation, christianity, jesus.. all these things... but there's something in the depths of me that is rejecting it right now...
I think I just find it hard to believe that a God with so much grace, is demanding absolute recognition & acceptance of what's in the bible to be saved... I mean... if Islam, Judaism & Christianity are founded on similar truths/philisophical points... how do we know what to believe?
I don't think Acts & Deeds are our path to Salvation... i just guess i truely wonder if salvation is based upon the acceptance of Jesus's Crucifixion (sp?)
I believe that jesus's death and the story of it, if it were to be true, is truely powerful and a message of love and grace for everyone... i think the understanding of this has made me the person i am today... my friends constantly are like "how can you put up with so and so" or "man i'd be mad at me if i was you" shit like this... but truthfully i just feel grace because of the grace i feel God would give me if this is true...
But i mean, are there BILLIONS of people going to hell because they havn't accepted jesus?
Or is knowing and developing a relationship with God enough?
I like the point you made about 'praying'.
I mean, i've tried and truely beleive i have developed some kind of relationship / friendship with God... its not some "Dear Heavenly Father," blah blah blah, i come to him as a friend.. as a father, as a savior & as a mentor.
But my real problem is, i guess, i want a revelation of what Salvation is really based on... and how to gain it... or what...
Again, ranting... sorry if i make no sense... |
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| DanieL |
| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:31 pm |
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| I guess im kinda in the same place as you ikon.. Why does God want us to whorship him and only him? It is a sin to whorship 'idols' and other such things but yet he commands us to idolise him. And he gives us a choice to believe in him and his word but yet if we are not to make the right choice( believing in him and his word) we are condemed to hell. I mean i've had places in my life where i have just really saught for God and believed in him and his stories, and so much of the stuff is so far fetched that maybe it just has to be true. But I think ive always had this thought in the back of my mind to question all of these things. People spend their whole lives trying to make other people believe in God. If its not true then so many of those people have wasted their lives for nothing.. But don't get me wrong, whether the Bible is true, or False, It has given great stories and exceptional values to live off of. And I truely believe some of the stories in the Bible are true also, becuz there is so many accounts in History where the same things have happened but been recorded by different people. But i mean there are so many things i dont understand. Adam and Eve were the first people, where did all these other people and races come from? Where were the dinosours during all of this, weren't dinosours on earth before people? There are such large time gaps between things.. anyways just some of my thoughts on this not really so much as answers to ikons questions |
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| yoyo |
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