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  • #46
    Originally posted by Too Hot To Trot View Post
    If people were really pro-life, they'd be pushing for automatic cadaveric organ donation with no exceptions. But we know they won't do that, because they think a corpse has more of a right to bodily autonomy than a living woman.
    Honestly, I think the world could maybe accept harsher abortion restrictions if the pro-life caucus actually supported a stronger social safety net, more support for adoptions, orphanages, single moms, families, etc etc. You know, actually do something for this kids and their moms.

    Except they don't.

    The people who will bend over backwards to protect a fetus are the same people who bend over backwards to tell us how few shits they give about quality of life in society. This year alone the right bitched and moaned about 'welfare queens' yet again when Biden raised the child tax credit to $1000 (the average cost of a child in the us is $13,000 nobody is a welfare queen on a k) If they really cared about these fetesus they wouldn't care about welfare queens.

    Last edited by Lord0fHats; 09-03-2021, 09:25 PM.

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    • #47
      Just like any fine - it effectively means 'legal if you're rich'.

      $10k fine isn't an issue for someone who is rich.

      Unless multiple people can sue the same person for the same abortion and each get $10k...

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      • #48
        GoDaddy has apparently sent the tip website a cease and desist or something.

        That won't mean much though. They'll probably just move to Epik where all the insane right leaning websites end up.

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        • #49
          A Texas judge has issued a temporary restraining order preventing Texas Right to Life from from suing abortion providers employed by Planned Parenthood.

          https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/03/polit...uit/index.html

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          • SilverbackWookie
            SilverbackWookie commented
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            And away we go. A long schlog through the justice system.

            In the meantime, it reverts back to the status quo.

        • #50
          Relieving, but baffling that it didn't happen weeks ago.

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          • Wolfblade
            Wolfblade commented
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            And the damage has already been done as months worth of appointments have been canceled, and now they have to go through the process of fixing the mess this has created.

        • #51
          And this children is why a supremecourt or indeed the whole law system can not represent the common will of the population and inadvertedly will fail the overall judgement longterm, whilest being easily abused by the political powers that be...



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          • #52
            Originally posted by Skyth View Post
            Unless multiple people can sue the same person for the same abortion and each get $10k...
            Thats a good point; given you don't need to be involved in any way to claim your $10k, is there anything stopping multiple suits for the same incident? Can they be used as precedent for each other so if A wins a case against B, then C D E and F all file suits too?

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            • Lord0fHats
              Lord0fHats commented
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              On the face of it no. The law gives anyone standing so anyone can sue. Generally the law has no restrictions on how many people can sue someone for something, only in what ways they can coordinate their suits/share resources (class actions and such).

            • Easy E
              Easy E commented
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              And that "anyone" is anyone in the world. So, we could all get together and sue someone. I think we should start with Governor Abbot.

            • Herzlos2
              Herzlos2 commented
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              Sounds like a plan, I'm sure he's forced a few young ladies to get sneaky procedures.

          • #53
            Meanwhile, just South of Texas.....

            Mexico's Supreme Court Has Voted To Decriminalize Abortion

            https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/10349...-supreme-court

            Mexico's Supreme Court has ruled that it is unconstitutional to punish abortion as a crime, a landmark ruling that clears the way for the legalization of abortion across the country.

            The court took up the issue on Monday when eight of 11 justices voted to revoke a law in the state of Coahuila that punished women with up to three years in prison for having an abortion — even in cases of rape. The other three justices joined in the decision Tuesday, declaring such laws unconstitutional.

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            • #54
              Abortion, similar to issues like gay marriage/legalizing drugs were heavily opposed not 2 decades ago in the US (and most of the world). We have seen a gradual trend towards acceptance. Even in the US, popular opinion is reluctantly in favor of abortion. These seems like the dying gasps of opposition fueled by an outsized amount of power in the hands of 9 people, who get elected indirectly via an outdated election system.

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              • #55
                Originally posted by Easy E View Post
                Meanwhile, just South of Texas.....

                Mexico's Supreme Court Has Voted To Decriminalize Abortion

                https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/10349...-supreme-court
                Criminalizing abortion serves no purpose but to drive it underground, where abortions still happen but women get maimed and killed as well. Unless they're rich. Rich people just go somewhere it's legal and get it done.

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                • #56
                  It's not just back street abortions that are an issue, in Ireland, back when abortion was illegal, there were cases of infanticide, suicide, and even deaths caused by complications in pregnancy and birth of both mother and child. In one case in Ireland a woman died 2 days after giving birth to her third child due to cancer. The hospital refused to treat her cancer in case it harmed the foetus. The child also died.

                  These are examples of things that can happen when you allow other people's objections and opinions to factor in what you can do with your own body.

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                  • #57
                    Not so fast?

                    Justice Department Sues Texas Over New Abortion Ban

                    https://www.npr.org/2021/09/09/10354...w-abortion-ban

                    The Department of Justice has sued the state of Texas over a new state law that bans abortions after about six weeks, before most people realize they are pregnant, all but halting the procedure in the country's second-largest state.

                    The lawsuit says the state enacted the law "in open defiance of the Constitution."

                    "The act is clearly unconstitutional under long-standing Supreme Court precedent," Attorney General Merrick Garland said during a press conference Thursday afternoon. "Those precedents hold, in the words of Planned Parenthood v. Casey that 'regardless of whether exceptions are made for particular circumstances, a state may not prohibit any woman from making the ultimate decision to terminate her pregnancy before viability.'"

                    The Justice Department is seeking a permanent injunction against the law.

                    Garland noted the law deputizes private citizens "to serve as bounty hunters authorized to recover at least $10,000 per claim from individuals who facilitate a woman's exercise of her constitutional rights."

                    He called the law a "statutory scheme" and said it has thus far had its intended effect.

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                    • #58
                      Greg Abbot complaining about Biden’s proposed vaccine mandate by declaring people should have the right to choose.

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                      • Mikosan
                        Mikosan commented
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                        Sadly, the irony will be lost on the folks in the GOP

                      • Easy E
                        Easy E commented
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                        Good thing Mr. Abbott only thinks white, middle aged, Christian, men are people. It all makes sense then.

                      • Disciple of Fate
                        Disciple of Fate commented
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                        I don't think its meant to be an oblivious comment. I have seen Republicans argue this with a straight face as a sort of 'got you', because if liberals support abortion, they must support them on this. The only irony is that they look even dumber trying to argue it with a straight face.
                        Last edited by Disciple of Fate; 09-10-2021, 03:31 PM.

                    • #59
                      Is this even enforceable - most social Media companies are out of state - if not in another country.

                      Texas passes social media 'de-platforming' law - BBC News

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                      • #60
                        Originally posted by RedChimera View Post
                        Is this even enforceable - most social Media companies are out of state - if not in another country.

                        Texas passes social media 'de-platforming' law - BBC News
                        It’s really not, Florida passed a similar thing a bit back and the courts promptly blocked it.

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